The Lincoln Project had no effect on the outcome

They successfully trolled Trump.

That's more than enough for me.

Same here R1. I know a lot of people who enjoyed the Lincoln Project. That's enough for me too.

I enjoyed their videos too.

"The Lincoln Project had no effect on the outcome"

Proof please.

MORE Republicans voted for Trump in 2020 than in 2016.

MORE PEOPLE OVERALL voted for Trump in 2020 than in 2016.

So who the fuck exactly did the Lincoln Project move to vote against Trump?

This is just another grift — "former Republicans" are just buying time until they can rally behind another Rethug who's more photogenic and "reasonable," like Ben Sasse, who is just as anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-minority and anti-healthcare as Trump ... and you better believe that any Democrat's or progressive's donations they're giving to the LP now are going to go into that pot.

The Lincoln Project's "head of communications" is a gay former Democrat named Keith Edwards.

You might want to have a word with her about how she's earning major $$$ to be an Uncle Tom/house faggot for the enemy.

I beg to disagree. They successfully separated many rich people from hundreds of millions of dollars. It was one of the most successful bait-and-switch operations since Ilhan Omar's first run for congress.

Their ads were fantastic. I think they gave people strength.

[quote]They successfully separated many rich people from hundreds of millions of dollars. It was one of the most successful bait-and-switch operations since Ilhan Omar's first run for congress.

And how many of those hundreds of millions are going to be spent against the Stacey Abrams and Beto O'Rourkes of the next cycle?

Aren’t they saying this isn’t over - they want Perdue out too.

Sounds good to me!

You have to remember, over the last four years, a lot of people have been radicalized online and are now Q Loons or some variation thereof. That probably accounts for a lot of the 6 million or so new voters that Trump got this year. There was also a huge mobilization by the GOP to label Democrats as socialists to Latino and Black communities, who were already proven from past elections to vote in higher numbers for ANY Republican incumbent.

The Lincoln Project couldn't have controlled any of that. I don't know if they made a difference, but if they did, it was to Democrats and Independents who weren't going to vote but were motivated to by their ads.

No, Putin desperately switched even more votes to Trump in 2020 than he did before. Despite that, TLP helped create [italic] even more [/italic] anti-Trump votes than 2016.

Witness: Biden has [bold] surpassed [/bold] Hillary’s popular vote margin by more than 30%

[quote]Despite that, TLP helped create even more anti-Trump votes than 2016.

I don'.t think so. Stop flattering TLP's ego, we voted for Biden because he is a much better human being, not because we believed in TLP ads.

OP is a cunt liar.

They had a huge effect.

They made me constantly laugh out loud and go Dayum! at their delicious ads.

And they got some die hard straight ticket Republicans to vote Dem at the top of the ticket for the first time ever but vote Repug down ballet as the results have shown.

While it is difficult to quantify and measure the effect they had, it is extremely ignorant to state they had no impact as a fact. First, they unequivocally helped buoy the spirits of many Dems like r14, the energy of which directly leads to increased involvement, engagement, confidence, turnout, etc.

More so, their masterful trolling surely got under the skin of many of their targets, causing major distractions that force errors and lack of focus. Look at the whole Times Square Billboard thing. While Jared and Ivanka were giving that matter their time and physical and emotional energy, they were on defense and couldn't make campaign moves they might otherwise have, and may have been more sloppy, unfocused, unavailable etc. Dem supporters and Trump haters owe Lincoln Project a wealth of gratitude

The ads were probably too smart and over the head of the average Trump supporter. Biden supporters were already there. My guess is that the ads really worked on the Independent voters.

I still want to know why Democrats have to import talent to do this stuff?

Why can't Democrats message effectively? And don't give me bullshit about how Democrats just won the Presidency. They made little headway in the Senate, lost ground in the House, and here in PA, failed to make any inroads at all into the Republican hegemony in Harrisburg.

Blue wave? Blue bullshit is more like it.

Retail John Wanamaker has been quoted as having said "Half the money I spend on advertising is wasted; the trouble is I don't know which half.”

Unlike Ford's pardon of Nixon or James Comey's letter to Congress in 2016, we'll never be able to point to one big thing that convinced more people to vote for Biden than for Trump.

Every little bit helped.

I'm of the opinion as well that every little bit helps. This election was scarily close and so many dems live in a bubble they were shocked at how well Dump did. I mean these are intelligent people? No they are dopes.

AOC is saying the same on Twitter, she is getting pushback for it.

They provided a well produced, public counter narrative that was sorely needed. They were like the court fool, making fun of the king, because no one else could (and keep their heads).

Plus, it trolled Trump where he'd watch. Trump doesn't watch Colbert.

OP how do you know? What metric proves this one way or the other?

Every little bit may have helped. Even if it was only 1%, it helped.

[quote]MORE Republicans voted for Trump in 2020 than in 2016.

[quote]MORE PEOPLE OVERALL voted for Trump in 2020 than in 2016.

You also have to consider MORE people voted for Biden than for any other U.S. candidate running for president.

Interesting that AOC gets her talking points from the same source as our Borises.

The Lincoln Project gave voice to my thoughts, time and again. And it did it creatively and, at times, bravely.

I applaud them.

You are a fool and a troll, OP.

R25 - Go fuck yourself with a Chernobyl-made dildo and die in a grease fire, you hideous, divisive cunt troll!!!

So, if OP is a troll, which we all collectively agree, what does that make AOC, who is saying the exact same thing as OP?

R29, she’s a paid provocateur who has been inserted to destabilize the Democratic party.

I am still amazed, disappointed and disgusted by how many voted for Trump who continues to prove himself a disaster as POTUS. It should’ve been a landslide. Do so many voters now think that his despicable behavior is acceptable? What a wonderful example for their children.

R31, well, then you should look into the last 20 years of electronic vote hacking so you’d realize how few people actually vote R. It might hearten you. And then enrage you that nothing has been done over the last two decades to secure our electronic voting machines.

R31 racism and hatred of all this is not straight/white is a very powerful force. His people found their voice in him. He never quite came out and said what he thought of us 'fags' and the horrible non-whites, but he sure made his feelings known, and his freaks love him for it.

OP, the ElderGays who post here can’t see reason. They’re the same morons who gave to Jill Stein in 2016.

R17 Watch them call you “Boris”

R34, that was not the Eldergays. They have been around and know what to do.

The young'ns who are still morally and ethically immature, believing that immaturity to be purity, are the ones who licked Jill Stein's ass.

[quote]I beg to disagree. They successfully separated many rich people from hundreds of millions of dollars. It was one of the most successful bait-and-switch operations since Ilhan Omar's first run for congress.

But R7, that money could have been better spent elsewhere. It didn't exactly go to help the poor, let alone turn out votes. That money could have been spent paying community organizers and campaign offices in working class neighborhoods. It could have been spent registering new Democrats in swing states.

R17, I agree with you. Every Lincoln Project fan I know is a centrist/conservative Democrat. It was a dog and pony show for the neoliberal elites.

Question - did the Lincoln Project actually pay for TV ads with these videos? Or were they just online?

I never saw any of their ads on TV, but then I'm in blue country.

Democrats and the Biden campaign really shot themselves in the foot by unilaterally suspending voter registration efforts while Republicans were going gangbusters door-to-door registering new voters. Also, it is clear that Trump rallies really ignited his base to come out and vote for him.

R39 - what are you talking about? Any links about suspending voter registration?

And rallies were NOT a responsible thing to do in COVID - and it was ILLEGAL in many states to have gatherings of that size.

R40, it’s been covered Four months how there was a huge gap in new registrations in key swing states that favorite republican. the explanation is that Republicans were still going door-to-door registering new voters and making voter contacts, while Democrats had to spending such operations because of coronavirus. Also, Republicans were Registering registering new voters and getting attendee contact information at their huge Trump rallies.

So, R41, while the Republicans were registering new voters, they were killing them at the same time. Good plan.

R42, Apart from the presidential election, it worked quite well for them

Busing them in for rallies with one way tickets and after leaving them stranded in the cold night to make their way home.

Sadly, his followers did not punish him for his reckless. In fact, it seems the more selfish and reckless he is, the more they reward him for being a callous jerk

I’m a HUGE fan of the LP, I gave them money — but I’m also an idiot who gave money for a recount in 2016. So while I don’t believe they’re ads can hurt us, I am more cautious about their long game. I think the jury is still out oh how effective it was.....I don’t know if they changed any minds at all. They did however, kind of “rally the troops” so perhaps at a minimum, their ads, fired up OUR base to make sure we vote, vs flipping a Rethug voter.

AOC was very very stupid to say what she did at this moment. It's democrat as asshole and why Democrats turn on each other(well republicans who are helping them in this case.)

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @AOC

It’s not the general “Never Trump” message that’s a failure per se, but the kind of videos they made are pretty well shown to not be persuasive for a Never Trump message. Explicitly insulting anti-Trump content isn’t what gets people to move. If anything it digs their heels in. 8:32 PM · Nov 6, 2020

-------------------

The scammers walked away with millions for entertaining the echo chamber. Not for hurting Trump or aiding Biden. I give them credit for creating a new market once the republicans refused to deal further with them.

NOBODY moves a Trumper. But it might move an undecided. They were playing dirty as only Republicans know how to do.

[quote]The Lincoln Project had no effect on the outcome

No, OP, The Lincoln Project did do something since AOC and her "squad" did so much damage. The Lincoln Project realized the danger Trump and his cronies posed, and they helped energize Never Trumpers and Biden voters more than they ever could. They realized the truth that the majority of people are moderates, and that far-wingers like AOC and the NC Nazi are nothing more than the loudest people in the room (and that's all they ever will be) and only have the illusion of power, not power itself.

What The Lincoln Project did was use a platform to energize the moderates, and expose the dangers Trump posed. AOC and the Bernieites almost derailed that plan with their shitty-far left antics that cost Dems the Senate takeover, and nearly cost control of the House. The Lincoln Project deserves a lot of credit, and AOC & Co. deserve to be ousted by moderates in their primaries for 2022.

Agreed, OP. Trump had the biggest effect on his own loss, aided and abetted by 'Rona. I think without the pandemic and all those deaths, he may have won a second term despite TLP.

The irony is that if Trump had handled Covid with the seriousness it deserved, not mocking the people who were concerned about it and TRIED to unify the country in battling it he would have won. It was too close a race and that would have just tipped the country in his favor. He had a serious challenge and all he needed to do was to handle it seriously(not at all difficult) but he insisted on being the nasty little boy everyone hopes will be run over by a garbage truck.

OP is an idiot. While it is true that more people voted for Trump this time around, it means nothing. MORE PEOPLE VOTED, PERIOD. Trump won last time because too many Democrats and independent voters stayed home. The Lincoln Project ads were designed to get out the vote, not to convert Trumpers. We had a record turnout, so TLP shares in the credit.

[quote]And they got some die hard straight ticket Republicans to vote Dem at the top of the ticket

No, they didn't. Trump got more support from Republicans, not less. Get your head out of your ass.

[quote] since AOC and her "squad" did so much damage.

Down ballot races drove the left out to vote for Biden. You're delusional or a troll, possibly both.

Republicans didn't elect Biden. Democrats and leftists did.

Pretty funny that a thread that essentially is criticizing a republican organization is getting so much controversy and calls for F&Fs. Nothing that I posted is against Democrats or Biden/Harris. Quite the contrary. I am just saying that Republicans didn't defect in any real way and that Trump gained support more than he lost any of his base. Democrats made this win happen, not never-trump Republicans who pocketed all that cash.

Nobody expected any Trumpers to defect. Are you being willfully dense? And extreme leftists R55 were not happy with Biden/Harris. They are nobody's friends. They would rather sink a centrist democrat than keep a Republican from winning.

The left is what won this election for Biden.

Jesus, you idiots are dense as shit.

R50 is foaming at the mouth over AOC. Jesus.

I agree R52

If he had addressed the nation back in January, explaining the seriousness of the virus, implored people to listen to the scientists, and invoked the War Powers Act to provide enough PPE, he would've been seen as a leader, even by those of us who despise him.

I'll never understand why he didn't promote MAGA masks as a way to show support for Dear Leader. You just know his sheeple would've worn them with pride (and driven the rest of us insane by doing so).

Back in December I was sure he'd lose in a landslide, yet even with his complete mismanaging of the pandemic, he still got 48% of the vote. IMHO, if he had done better with COVID, he would've won.

Their only goal was to raise money, of course they are grifters.

R61, he didn’t do it because the entire point of his presidency, as directed by Simeon Mogelivich by way of Putin, was to sow chaos and destruction in the US and globally. The more death and economic destruction, the better. Like a good Nazi, he was just following orders.

[quote] Like a good Nazi, he was just following orders.

Trump does not have the discipline to follow orders. He was chosen by Putin not because he's obedient, but because he himself is a chaotic and destructive person who admires authoritarian leaders. It's his nature. Putin is trained in using people's weaknesses for his own ends. The chaos was the end and it is who Trump is.

[quote]How The Lincoln Project Set Liberals’ Money On Fire

If anyone had any doubt over the LP's continuing allegiances, look no further than the election results. The republican party is not just going through a phase, it is irretrievably the Trump party. LPers are going nowhere,

I wouldn't say no effect, but the ratio of money spent, their swagger and PR to election result was a pretty poor return. Trump losing but not in a landslide papered over the senate embarrassment. LP made a big deal of their senate targets and Graham, Collins, et all cruised to victory. Kelly and Hickenlooper would have won anyway.

Every cent I donated was worth it because their ads got under Trump's thin skin and will live on on YouTube.

Please. Biden won in a landslide and his margin of victory keeps increasing as more votes are counted.

It's not even going to be close in the Electoral College.

Biden won. More voters came out for him than for any other candidate ever. It is hard to separate out the work of the Lincoln Project from the work everyone else did. But if you don't do that, you have no basis for smearing them.

Please, R69, as much as I hoped for a landslide, a popular vote margin of up to 5% is no landslide. Nor is 306 EVs. Do you seriously think Trump's winning 306 EVs was a landslide?

With Putie helping tRumpie?

306 was an avalanche.

It was so ridiculously close getting just Biden/Harris in there I'd say it was a spectacular return.

.@ProjectLincoln asserts that 7% of 2016 Trump voters switched to Biden in Pennsylvania, 6% in Michigan, 7% in Wisconsin, and 6% in Georgia.

Those numbers, if accurate, suggest that GOP and GOP-leaning voters helped deliver the election to Biden.

R53, Trump won by something like 70K votes in 3 states. Of those state, none completed a recount. Republicans stopped it in Wisconsin, Jill Stein backed off the request in Michigan and Pennsylvania had nothing to count. The state had no backups. Russia did interfere in the 2016 elections. Since we had no recounts of the states that mattered, we have no idea what happened, but slight changes in a few places could have made all the difference. Given Trump's relationship with Putin, all the documented help he's given Russia, it is very conceivable that he was assisted with the win.

As people have stated, they were entertained by the videos, which deflected their attention away from the con that was occurring in front of their face. If people were happy with the videos while being fleeced, so be it. The people who donated are not people in their right mind anyway,

One video purveyor who did have an effect, I think, was author Don Winslow working with Shane Salerno and various celebs like Springstein and Jeff Daniels. Unlike Conway and the other conservatives of TLP, these guys took no money. No PACS, just used their own and their skills. People loved them and their motives were pure.

Trump says 306 is a landslide. Who are we to argue?

The failure is Tom Perez and the inept DNC. Get that lazy and dense crew out of there. Democrats lost house seats, yet to pull at least even in the Senate, and lost in Statehouse elections most everywhere, and failed on several Governorships. The DNC did little to organize in several key states. Democrats couldn't even come up with a viable candidate to run against Tom Cotton in AR.

No Messaging. Poor organization.

At least the Lincoln Project was aggressive, and they are disenchanted Republicans.

Winning by only 45k votes in Wisconsin, Georgia and Arizona is not a landslide.

Winning a state by 10 votes can provoke a land slide in the Electoral College.

What the DNC needs to do is organize the shit out of every city and a couple of the purple states.

Since Republicans down ballot generally did much better than Trump, it looks like many republican voters either split their tickets or left the presidential part of their ballots blank. Thank you, Lincoln Project!

R79, yes it is according to Trump logic.

Trump lost the popular vote and won 306 electoral votes in 2016 and called it a landslide.

Biden is winning the popular vote by a decisive margin and won 306 EC votes. What should we call this? A double landslide?

Russia stole the election for Trump and you know it.

How does the DNC operate exactly, meaning how was Perez selected to begin with? Do donors have any ability to influence the DNC? You know who needs to be running the DNC right now?!?!?!? PETE. We need someone well under the age of fucking FIFTY, who is a viper with media. That would be Pete.

[quote] Since Republicans down ballot generally did much better than Trump, it looks like many republican voters either split their tickets or left the presidential part of their ballots blank. Thank you, Lincoln Project!

These are the same people who spent decades making excuses for keeping gay marriage illegal and you're THANKING them on a gay message board? You're a quisling.

R87, during those “decades” exactly how many Democrats were campaigning for marriage equality? Your inability to find common cause with anyone with whom you may otherwise have differences is terribly reactionary & most counterproductive.

Fuck you R88. There's a big difference between not campaigning for something and actively campaigning against it. And the GOP is STILL anti-gay and appointing rabidly homophobic judges to every court. Go peddle your "terribly reactionary & most counterproductive" line of bullshit somewhere else.

For some unknown reason, the republican party has not changed its name. But I welcome all those former republicans who would not be folded into the Trump party.

I think they talk some sense into the suburban voters, Biden did well with them.

They are a force for good, but they have limits. They appeal to well-educated moderate Republicans and independents. However, their snarky, cerebral methods fall flat with rural and less educated people. It either goes over their heads, comes across as condescending, or is offensive to their values and beliefs.

R94 - do you have data showing that The Lincoln Project impacted a single state in the country? That was the THEORY, but that didn't prove out because plenty of "respectable" Republicans voted for Trump anyway. They may not support his most extreme views like his hardcore base, but at the end of the day, he'd have kept taxes low for the wealthy and continued to cut the social safety net. Just like their sainted Ronnie.

They got Cindy McCain Ambassador to the UK

Their ads were better than Biden? As for impact -that's impossible to measure with data.

[bold] The One Where Old Men Can't Let Grudges Go

Lincoln killed Indians so they are still racist for flogging their log to his corpse.

Where is the John Wilkes Booth project when you really need one?

Their ads were great for a certain type of well educated suburban voter, but definitely didn’t connect with the masses of blue collar rural voters

In other words, they were singing to the choir.

They appealed to a relatively small number of well-educated, moderate Urban and suburban Republicans who feel alienated by Trumpism

I think what the LP did was shine a light on the divide within its own party. There is obviously a group of Republicans who want to take the party back from the fringe hillbillies, or who haven’t realized it, yet. I think the revolution needs to be within their own party. Just like the Dems need to figure out if they’re Biden Democrats or AOC/Bernie ones, or if they’re separate entities.

Money well spent. They are patriots.

I was hoping that liberals would be disloyal and throw these idiots under the bus as soon as it was expedient to do so.

[quote] Their ads were great for a certain type of well educated suburban voter, but definitely didn’t connect with the masses of blue collar rural voters

They were not their target audience. The fact that Trump generally did worse than down-ballot republicans is enough evidence for me that the Lincoln Project was successful in sufficiently separating enough republicans from Trump to make a difference.

There is a theory that what you describe was The Lincoln Project's ultimate goal, R107 -- defeating Trump, but driving out Republican turnout to ensure Republican success down ballot to prepare for the "respectable" Republicans to take back the party and all branches of government in 2024. But, sure, go ahead and trust them.

That’s better than re-electing Trump

[quote} There is a theory that what you describe was The Lincoln Project's ultimate goal, [R107] -- defeating Trump, but driving out Republican turnout to ensure Republican success down ballot to prepare for the "respectable" Republicans to take back the party and all branches of government in 2024. But, sure, go ahead and trust them.

Since the LP ran attack ads against many of those running down ballot it can hardly be said that their electoral success was their "ultimate goal."

Did the Lincoln Project campaign against the nomination of Amy Covid Barrett to the Supreme Court? That's not rhetorical. I'm genuinely asking. If they did not, then you know where their true priorities lie.

She wasn’t on the ballot

They had plenty of spots airing on TV and on social media that weren't just about the ballot, but about actions of the administration that they objected to -- literally hundreds of them -- they were pushing them out on a nearly daily basis. So, again, did they publish a single one about Barrett?

Yes. Their goal was to get Rs to abandon tRump.

Abusing children; separating them away from their parents, polled strongly against him with many Republicans.

ACB, not so much

Never trust a Republican. And clearly Ana Navarro has no credibility as a political commentator. She insisted for months that Trump would not win Florida.

This is why we should have upper age limits on voting. The way so many eldergays are trusting of Republicans just because they're not as PUBLICLY crass as Trump?

[quote] Never trust a Republican. And clearly Ana Navarro has no credibility as a political commentator. She insisted for months that Trump would not win Florida.

Most of the Lincoln Project, if not all left The Republican Party. Navarro and Meghan McCain won't.

OP is a clueless Trumptard and this is troll thread. Next!

Boris the OP is just butt-hurt that his sham Trafalgar Polling outfit predicted 5 states would go to Trump that actually went to BIDEN.

He tried dismissing all the real polls showing Trump's loss for four years in defense of his Nazi warped wishing. But in the end, Trafalgar was exposed as just more partisan, Republican grifters.

I love how Trump got his crooked, psychopathic ass kicked but Lincoln Project couldn't have had anything to do with it.

WRONG. Lincoln Project was hilariously right and it kept up the morale of America's majority suffering under Republicans.

ncG1vNJzZmivp6x7pa3TmqOorZ6csm%2BvzqZmraCimq6le5FwampvaGyCbsDHnmSloZ6YvK26jKmpqKKVmMFutMCdZKenXZqzp7HCrWSopl2ptaZ5zq6rnKedmg%3D%3D

• ← Previous Post
• Next Post →