Tasteful Friends of Anderson, Gloria Vanderbilts Unique Manhattan Apartment

Listed for $1.125 Million

The space has been called the prolific artist’s “laboratory”

Why so inexpensive? That's like a parking spot cost in a new condo.

Poor Anderson, he must be so embarrassed for the world to see his eccentric mother's apartment.

That kitchen is beyond ghastly ,but I loved her decor. Its loaded with personality. I wonder if Albino is going to have an estate sale?

Why is this is cheap? I mean the maintenance is high but this place is huge for NYC.

[quote]Poor Anderson, he must be so embarrassed for the world to see his eccentric mother's apartment.

She lived to 108...he was quite used to her eccentricities. 3 bedrooms, a library, eat in kitchen and 2 and half baths? Did they leave ff a digit? $4,311 maint.

[quote]That kitchen is beyond ghastly...

Well, at least we know why Carter jumped.

Is that a typo on the listing? It is repeated on different sites, but no way a place like that would be just over $1 million?

Do you think they want bidding wars instead?

How many pics of HERSELF are in each fucking room? Jesus Christ - what an ego.

It's apartment 2a, r9, on the 2nd floor.

Carter jumped from her penthouse terrace on, I believe, 91st street.

I like it. Pretty much move in ready as it is, although the kitchen could do with changes, but I could live with it as is.

And it is extremely reasonably priced for what it is - almost too cheap as R2 and R7/ R8 ask. The maintenance / common area charges arent cheap but they arent unusual for this sort of property at this size and the location.

From bit under $700k to $2 million is about average for most units at 30 Beekman Place.

Could be any number of reasons why prices seem on low side. My guess is one factor is those rather high monthly charges act like high taxes - lowering prices.

It's like Montclair, NJ... You can find some lovely properties for comparatively little money, but the taxes are insane.

R14 yeah that'd do it. You effectively need to have at least another 100K plus set aside to cover the next couple of years maintenance charges, they come to near on $1K a week. Dont know what NYC rents are currently but would you even be left with much change from that if you had to let the place?

I’m sure it could be lovely once they carted off all that crazy shit and brought in massive buckets of white/off white paint. The maintenance……yikes.

OK, I was wrong. It’s a coop so the maintenance includes taxes and insurance. Not that bad.

R1 thanks, those are some great pics. More is More - exactly, especially when it comes to interiors. Kitchen is too bland, needs more colours.

I'm picking all the cool furnishings and stuff dont come with it. Shame, I'd love to live in it as a time capsule, same as Joan River's apartment which I also loved

Not one of the best buildings in Beekman. I'm surprised she had no live-in help, particularly for someone of her age and means. The so-called "staff room" wouldn't even hold a bed.

Where does Anderson live? He must have a place in Manhattan to be close to work.

SO busy. And also "tasteful beams"? But it could be made enchanting with a little money.

NY Times explanation for the low price:

“ It’s a relatively low price for a Classic Five but the apartment is on a low floor, has a high maintenance and is in a neighborhood that is slightly off the beaten track. Also, unrenovated since 1997, when Ms. Vanderbilt moved in, it needs a total rehab.”

The listing says 3 bedrooms, but the floorplan only shows two bedrooms.

That is ridiculously cheap. How can it be?

Incredible. And I thought dump my in-laws tried to force me to live in Frogmore Cottage was a cubby-hole.

[quote] The listing says 3 bedrooms, but the floorplan only shows two bedrooms.

They may be taking the staff room as the 3rd bedroom.

It'll be gone in 10 minutes.

I'd have sworn this was listed and sold a year ago.

[quote]That is ridiculously cheap. How can it be?

See R22.

An entire souk in one apartment.

Yeah - that Streeteasy does confirm that units do not go for a lot in that building.

The maintenance is a little high - but nothing extraordinary for NYC.

I recall that area being really dead - not many restaurants, subway is several long blocks away. Just a lot of consulates for the UN which is just south of there.

Still - that's a steal to live in NYC.

It's a bit too much, I like parts of it.

[quote]Not one of the best buildings in Beekman. I'm surprised she had no live-in help, particularly for someone of her age and means. The so-called "staff room" wouldn't even hold a bed.

Well smell you. Perhaps she wasn't pretentious like you and had 'the help" stay in one of the other bedrooms.

The maintenance is more than "a little high, it's double what is normal for a 2bd. Plus the listing says it's om the ground floor, despite being "2A". And the renovation needed.

R22

Being on a low floor, in Beekman Place and requiring a full gut renovation aren't necessarily bad things. People will gut renovate something that was just done a few years prior to sale. What's driving prices down in that building are monthly maintenance charges.

Keep in mind only a portion of co-op monthly charges can be deducted on taxes (the RE tax portion), rest is effectively like paying rent, money you're paying owner of property (the corporation) for various things.

Yeah, it's a fixer-upper. But the quiet, out-of-the-way location means opportunities for discreet hanky-panky!

R20

Anderson Cooper has a few properties IIRC. His NYC home is a former firehouse in Greenwich Village.

Beekman Place and Sutton Place for that matter are both dead as graveyards by late evening into overnight hours. During summer when everyone is in the country daytime hours especially on weekends isn't that busy either.

Both Beekman and Sutton suffer whenever anything is happening at UN where almost everything east of Second to first avenue from 57th south to past 42nd goes into lock down.

On a brighter note both Beekman and Sutton places along with Turtle Bay in general are well represented by gays. From stately grand old power gays, to up and coming and even shop bottoms. They even have their own bar, the Townhouse. Which is the last place standing of what once was a pretty vibrant gay scene in that part of town.

R21

Exposed beams are hallmark of some famous pre-war developers of multi-family upscale NYC housing. Bing & Bing were famous for them, but there were others.

[quote]It's apartment 2a, [R9], on the 2nd floor.

So, she lived next door to Luka?

Bit of history on Beekman Place.....

Peter Detmold's murderer was never found, but city did name a park in his honor.

R5

Gloria Vanderbilt died aged 95, not 108.

Ms. Vanderbilt also owned a studio apartment in same building (which Mr. Cooper has not put on market). That apartment could have been used for a servant, nurse or "help" that Mrs. Vanderbilt required.

[quote]Bit of history on Beekman Place.....

Or, you could just watch Mame.

[quote]That apartment could have been used for a servant, nurse or "help" that Mrs. Vanderbilt required.

Gloria kept the unsold inventory of her jeans in it.

R45

You're kidding? Really?

If there's any left Anderson Cooper ought to sell them on, there is a huge market for vintage jeans.

Sort of best worlds really.

Prices are low enough that all cash purchases are easily done by right sort of people. OTOH monthly charges are high enough to ensure (again) only certain people are going to be living in 30 Beekman Place.

Saint Bridget, deliver us to Beekman Place...Away from the wicked and depraved...A gray head is peeping through the curtain lace...Calling "Come ye inside, where you'll be saved."

God love you, dear Saint Bridget, deliver us to Bee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-eekman Place

Overlooking all the "Gloria," it's a very nice apartment, a good size, one good sized living room, two decent bedrooms (why NYC real estate agents insist on listing it as 3-bedrooms is a mystery; at some threshold the student renter instinct to make every room a bedroom ought to give way to something more civilized, less crowded.)

The shortcoming for me is that is that it's just nice. There's no grandeur, not much finesse to anything, the windows are a little underscaled, the ceilings are definitely low (that bookcase-on-desk in the living room is all but scraping the ceiling, and it's hardly monumental.) There's just barely room to fit one sofa opposite another perpendicular to where her brown chintz sofa sits. It's low and a little oppressive and a bit cramped, not much room to hang large pictures on the wall without them taking the who space floor to ceiling as she's done with large portraits and screens, etc. The dining room is 12' x 17'; the entrance hall is just 6' wide; the gallery is 10' x 11'; it's okay but it's not generous. It's bigger and better than it shows with her somewhat kitschy, Kleenex box take on the Bloomsbury/Charleston Group interiors, but it ain't grand as the Vanderbilt name would suggest (though the price cautions otherwise.)

For my grumbling I could happily make-do, and for the oddly low price of $1.15M, why not? The things I dislike can be partly compensated for with handsome result, whereas the scale and aesthetic of Vanderbilt emphasizes all the faults of the space. The kitchen is wrist-slittingly sad; if there's a bit of Diane Arbus with all of us, there's still no excuse for that, but the layout ins fine: just replace everything I will say for once.

It's a nice apartment and quite nice for the price, it's just not exciting.

The article at OP's link says the studio apt. was her artist's studio.

A 12'X12' bedroom isn't "big", my bedroom is much larger and my co-op sure didn't cost anywhere near $1 million! I have a six room co-op with two walk-in closets.

Gloria's place has good bones and it's pre-war, always a big plus. New builds in Manhattan are disgusting, I despise those awful big glass towers.

Surely Anderson is going to auction off a lot of her things. That hasn't been done yet, right? (Perhaps they were planning one before Covid hit.) Her paintings always sold really well, just based on her name. I think he embraced her eccentricities because he knew that was a coping mechanism--and also therapeutic--for her. Who cares if she painted a quote on the mantle after all the shit she went thru? The only thing that shocks me about the apartment is how bland the kitchen was. It makes me think she didn't use it that much.

I do wonder if she fit in that yellow dress she wanted to be cremated in, though. That oversized painting of her in it looked to be about 40 or 50 years old. Very few of us could fit in clothes from that long ago.

For those monthly maintenance charges, you may as well just rent. That monthly maintenance charge is ridiculous for that apartment.

I lover her quirky sense of interior designing and it works. The floodplan of the place is terrible though and I can imagine the place doesn't have much natural light with those tiny windows and it being on a low floor. Probably the reason she had full mirrored walls in several rooms.

Watched the video. It does look like there’s not much light but it looks like it was filmed on a gray winter afternoon.

For only $300K more you can have Joan Crawford's apartment at Imperial House. Also a 2 bedroom, but with a terrace , brighter light, better location, and almost half the maintenance fee.

I can't believe there's any place left in NYC for under 1M.

[quote]the entrance hall is just 6' wide

Damn.

R52

If something doesn't fit, and family is adamant about the deceased being buried in whatever garment, it will be cut down the back.

Many undertakers don't like cutting garments, but if there isn't any other way to get something to fit it must be done. It's not like anyone is going to notice, and unless corpse is question is a vampire or otherwise resurrected there's little worry about things falling off....

I mean the bodies have intense rigor mortise, don’t most clothes basically have to be sewn on them?

Bodies go out of rigor, don't they, r60?

It's a co-op. A form of ownership most outside of NYC are unfamiliar with, including me until recently when I had a work-related matter with a snotty, condescending, imperious, entitled co-op owner in NY. You don't actually "own" the unit. You own shares in the co-operative entity and pay a HUGE monthly maintenance fee. So buy-in prices are on the lower side but they get you with the monthly co-op fee.

Rigor mortis can be broken during embalming process. All undertakers are trained at doing this, and it's part of the job really.

Many factors influence when rigor mortis will commence including temperature of corpse. If a body is kept refrigerated or otherwise cool (such as drowning in cold water) rigor mortis is slowed or may not even happen.

A "stiff" corpse is usually one that has been dead for several hours but rigor mortis cannot be used to give an exact time of death.

R56 - errr....that's a one bedroom. Despite what the listing says - I don't see how it is 'easily converted' to a 2 BR.

And that's not a 'terrace' - that's an enclosed balcony. In my mind, there's a difference.

R57

Believe when I tell you not just any random person with one million or whatever in cash will get into 30 Beekman or any other Manhattan co-op.

Even if buyer offers to pay all cash board will still do due diligence (the dreaded board package). If they don't like or want you, that will be end of things.

Part of vetting process most surely will include proof of solid liquid assets that cover about a year or more of monthly charges.

Did Gloria rigor mortise on Beekman Place?

I don't know how demanding the board at 30 Beekman is but money is the easiest way to weed out people without having to know anything about who or what their habits are. All cash purchases are common for co-ops and anything else may generate a bit of innuendo at a board presentation, "I see you will be be applying for financing for your membership."

[quote]Part of vetting process most surely will include proof of solid liquid assets that cover about a year or more of monthly charges.

The more particular boards require all cash purchases and a minimum 10x the purchase price in the bank and easily accessible, so one year of monthly fees is getting off very easily. $43,000 in the bank isn't much of a test. Co-op boards in comparatively backwater cities typically require at least that much as a minimum.

Asking that the buyer of an expensive property have a reserve of 3x, or 6x, or 10x that in cash weeds out a world of problems. Past that point it's just sniffing around to decide if someone is the sort of neighbor that will appreciate his fellow members and vice versa. When you don't own a set of walls, ceiling and floor but a percentage of a corporation of which you are permitted to use a specific part, it's obviously a more "we're all in this together" thing, so have money and be like us.

I'm exhausted just thinking about the help having to dust all those gee-gaws everywhere.

At 95, she didn't see worth shit. At 65 or so, most people receive 1/3 the light that the eye's of someone 25 receive. It doesn't improve of the next thirty years.

R70 Have a little respect, those are Vanderbilt gewgaws, they deserve at the very least to be called tchotchkes!

[quote]Many undertakers don't like cutting garments, but if there isn't any other way to get something to fit it must be done.

Um, sweetie, ALL garments are cut and tucked around the deceased. You cannot easily dress a corpse the "regular" way. And the reason I know this is because I worked in a funeral home and assisted with preparing the bodies.

R56 Imperial House looks hideous on the outside. Absolutely vile.

Um sorry but no *sweety*, you're wrong.

Not every undertaker will cut garments (at least in USA and Canada) to make them fit.

If the thing is lose enough and or otherwise depending upon construction along with availably of help, most things can be fitted onto a dead body.

Isn’t it weird that we dress the dead? They should go out of the world like they came in, completely naked.

Mmmm, no....I don't think so, r77.

She seems like a character out of Wes Anderson movie who moved into a tiny flat assuming she'd be dead in a few years, only to go on living for many more years. She probably couldn't bear the idea of anything with a view after her son's suicide & probably only used the kitchen to microwave frozen dinners or warm up takeout

Was there ever an explanation for why Carter killed himself?

[quote]Um sorry but no *sweety*, you're wrong.

No, I'm not. And a rescue dummy isn't an actual corpse, so the video doesn't prove anything except how to dress a rescue dummy.

I'd guesstimate during my tenture at the Funeral Home it'd number 250-300 for me. How many corpses have you been around?

Anderson Cooper is estimated to be worth around a $100 million, couldn't he have bought his mother a nicer place to live? It isn't like he wouldn't get it back when she died.

R82 People with a lot of money are very cheap.

You should know this.

It looks like a nice place to live, and she definitely made it into a home with her own personal stamp Maybe she preferred a quieter neighborhood as she aged.

Pity she didn't get or keep 12 E. 77 St., her father's house. What's that word for a gentleman who squanders his life and fortune on gambling and drinking? He was one of those.

I assumed the kitchen would be some 1950s horror, and was shocked it was so modern. All that white and flat cabinets are not my particular style, but with some paint it could be made to look a lot more homey.

I'm also shocked that at some point whoever was living there expected their help to sleep in the tiny laundry room.

That's the sort of kitchen you have when you want to be able to "spot check" that the staff keep things clean.

Didn't she have any contact with the children she had with her second husband, the orchestra conductor Stokowski. She had 2 sons with him but left all her money to Anderson.

That’s the good thing about dementia, Anderson convinced her there was nothing that happened after 1975.

it's so ugly and hasn't been updated. total gut job.

it's a quiet area. lots of embassies and consulates since it's close to the UN

R92 Quiet until a UN event then a hellscape. The whole east side becomes a nightmare when there are big UN sessions going on, and the more geographically close the worse it gets. Even in Queens they give traffic warnings of events at the UN.

Rich slender girl famously a blast. That's what they said about her and Karen Woolworth the other beautiful hairnets. Glors was raised by her mannish lezzie aunt who ran a nudie art school. That's why Glors was always a mix of hippie and Paris chick. There was so much dough but never enough money. People though her family were royal because they lived in fancy palaces. Never enough money for this girl you thought they were all Jews. She just was never pretty but she faked it OK. Boy did she get a lot of big cocks like her friends all wanted. She had to make money and they kept stealing it from her. Same old sad story. I like her famous perfume White Lines and those wrap dresses. They say she had treasures in warehouses but lived small because she was always alone in her palaces when she was a princess child. At least she didn't live with raccoons and cat poo like her cousin Eddie O'Boule.

What? The Beales from "Grey Gardens" were related to Jackie Kennedy, not Gloria Vanderbilt.

R89, at least one of the other sons was estranged from her. I don't recall if it was his choice, hers, or both.

"White Lines"? Like lines of cocaine? Gloria's perfume was called "Vanderbilt", not "White Lines". You must be trolling.

[quote] She had 2 sons with him but left all her money to Anderson.

Didn't he say back a year or 2 ago that he would be inheriting no money from his mother? I've actually heard that she had very little money. I took it that Anderson was her biggest source of financial support.

Information goes into some ancient DL brains but goes out the other side. It was well known that Gloria hadn't had money for decades. If ever, really. She made some cash in fashion, and lost it.

Well, at 68 I guess I'm one ancient DL brain who still has a brain that retains what I read and hear.

She was completely estranged from one of the Stokowski sons and left him nothing. She left an apartment to the other. Her estate was valued at $1.5 million.

[quote] Her estate was valued at $1.5 million.

So this apartment was basically it?

Yup. She was poor and Anderson is a greedy, selfish bastard.

Why is Anderson greedy? He has generously stayed with his horse hung ex-boyfriend, promoting him to life long friend, co-parent and property manager. He supported Old Glors for years, and not in rank squalor, like her poor cousins the O'Beavers.

Late Gloria Vanderbilt's finances weren't what many would assume.

Couldn’t they have had a few nice rooms set up for her in Asheville, it’s not like the whole house is open on the tour, or maybe a whole outbuilding to herself?

Living in North Carolina was beneath her, R106.

Ironically Anderson Cooper born to the "poor" side of Vanderbilt family has a substantial (self made) fortune of his own, and thus can look his cousins squarely in the eye.

Unlike his ancestors who blew through their inheritances by violating cardinal rules of wealth (living off capital instead of only spending interest), Andersen Cooper's financial house seems well in order. That likely was one of reasons he decided to become a father. David Geffen may be happy endowing various nonprofits to get his name plastered all over, but Andersen Cooper's money will likely largely go to his heir.

R104, for a Vanderbilt, a $1.5 million apartment is rank squalor.

How the Vanderbilt family largely blew through a fortune that should have lasted generations.

Did you know actor Timothy Olyphant is a Vanderbilt?

Then there is screenwriter James Vanderbilt

Danielle Bregoli, another Vanderbilt.

You would have thought they would have be set after selling off the mansion to Berdorf and Goodman?

I'm guessing that the kitchen was renovated after GV died. The original kitchen was probably too horrible to leave as it was. The apartment wasn't worth spending much on a kitchen renovation. Bathrooms (unseen in photos) are another sore spot, probably.

Anderson Cooper has said that he considers eating a "waste of time," so, maybe that attitude towards food came from his mother's. Frankly, AC's attitude towards food made me like him even less. I don't understand people who have no interest in food.

R114

Alice Claypoole Vanderbilt relict of Cornelius Vanderbilt II lived off a trust fund that just barely covered costs of keeping that Fifth avenue pile. After selling for seven million (which of course would have been taxed at some level), widow Vanderbilt purchased another UES mansion for $800k.

You can see list of her heirs in link and will find they do have "some" money I suppose. But not what one would expect when hearing name "Vanderbilt".

Seven million was in 1926 and still today quite a lot of money. But various forces would have eaten away at that money if not carefully managed.

There was 1929 stock market crash for a start, then the Great Depression followed by WWII. More economic upheavals would follow in forms of higher taxes and inflation. Finally the Vanderbilt family as a whole had an unfortunate tendency to make great use of divorce courts. Each time a Mrs. Vanderbilt was put away, a Mr. Vanderbilt likely had to pay

R115

WASPs are some very peculiar people......

[quote]There was 1929 stock market crash for a start,

It took Mame's money AND her lucite piano. Thank God Beau married her then died in that sking accident.

[quote] He has generously stayed with his horse hung ex-boyfriend, promoting him to life long friend, co-parent and property manager.

Anderson's butler.

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[quote]Living in North Carolina was beneath her

And most of us.

The gallery and dining room have windows facing internal courtyards. The place must have been very dark, with very little sunlight. The windows facing the street are E - S/E.

Why does the apartment have 3 entry doors? I guess back in the day that was normal to have a separate entrance for staff and servants. But she kept it that way.

[quote] The gallery and dining room have windows facing internal courtyards.

"Internal courtyards". You're so diplomatic.

Pre-war and for a years afterwards multi-family designed for certain demographic always had at least two entrances; one for family and their guests, other for servants, tradesmen, and everyone else who didn't rank coming through front door.

Buildings with service elevators usually open onto this rear service "area". These "back doors" to apartments usually open to kitchen area.

Even today for some buildings only residents and guests can go up via lobby. Everything else from laundry to food deliveries, tradesmen, etc.. has to go around back or down stairs and use service entry, period. Dogs if carried may go through lobby, but otherwise they must go through service entry as well. Or even better dogs with their owners can come through lobby, but dog walkers (fetching or dropping off the pooch), must go through service entry.

And fun continues..... Child minders in company of their charges can use lobby, otherwise must go through service entrance. Nurses, physicians, and other licensed professionals of course can go up front via lobby.

Whole new world of 24/7 delivery has sort of upended things. People order things at 11PM long past when service area is closed. Most buildings won't allow those delivery persons to go upstairs alone, but unless there is more than one person on duty in lobby (rare after 11PM or 12M when shift changes to overnight) the lobby cannot be left unattended. So buildings made it a rule, residents will have go downstairs and fetch whatever is being delivered themselves.

Kitchen looks perfectly fine IMHO. Am sure whoever buys the place will likely do a gut renovation job, but unless that happens the area is perfectly functional as is.

[quote] Nurses, physicians, and other licensed professionals of course can go up front via lobby.

What about whores?

[quote]Couldn’t they have had a few nice rooms set up for her in Asheville

She comes from the Breakers Vanderbilts, not the Biltmore Vanderbilts.

R127 Family is family. Just like Jackie giving the Beales money just to keep her name out the press and look good.

R126

Every doorman worth is salt knows whores/escorts on sight.

A person arrives by town car (who may park and wait nearby), early evening or late night hours and is announced as "friend". Or even better for gay escorts "personal trainer..."

One of the doormen on my block was telling me this story saying (in his thick Irish brogue). "does he think I'm an idiot or something.. who has a personal trainer at 1 in the morning....."

Of course dead giveaway is when said female or male leaves exactly in one hour....

Current owners of Biltmore, in NC are (or were) third cousins of Gloria Vanderbilt.

She definitely lived like one if those glamorous old school socialites that were Hollywood glamorous well put together and stylish. You know the ones that existed in the 20th century.

There's really no socialites like that anymore. Or Movie Stars for that matter. All of that was left pretty much back in the 20th century. There's plenty to miss from last century. So far in many ways, the 21st century sucks.

Well Gloria got into the jeans market before Halston tried to enter too late, so she should have had some good income from that, she was one of the more prominent woman’s jeans. And wasn’t there something with a swan, a perfume or feline douche spray?

^^^ That should read “feminine” not feline, but feline douching must be an untapped market!

R129 That's why I'd never want to live in a building with a doorman. But that's why they have hotels.

But if I wanted to bring tricks over, I'd just buy a small apartment in another part of town where I could go to have privacy with my trade. Do what we wanna pay them and then return to my respectable residence where my tricks won't know that I live there.

That's how you do it.

There are glamorous socialites living beautifully 24/7, 365 a year, in all of the world's "social" cities and resorts. What are you going on about? Rio, Palm Beach, Los Angeles, London, Paris, Geneva, Madrid, Rome, Istanbul, Dubai, Shanghai, Hong Kong, to name but a few, and all the winter and summer resorts.

R134 not really. The way you do it is to live in a quality building with good security and professional and discreet staff, who kiss your ass despite knowing you have an active sex life, to which you are entitled and which is none of their damned business. They should be professional with your whores, as well. Isolating yourself in privacy with your suspect trade is a recipe for disaster.

Suddenly—some would say predictably—this thread has merged with the A-List Gays thread.

This is why you tip and give Christmas gifts to the people who work where you live. E.g., the doorman who sees all the comings and goings to the building. Don't be cheap & rude!

[quote] "I eat the exact same meal every day for months at a time. I’ve done this for as long as I can remember", from R115

I am surprised Anderson has had more than one sex partner.

R132

Yes, Gloria Vanderbilt *should* have had decent income from her line of jeans and other things, but the lady was fucked over by her then attorney and psychiatrist.

"Vanderbilt tells a much more harrowing tale when she recounts the saga of her former attorney Thomas Andrews (now deceased) and former psychiatrist, Dr. Christ (Chris) Zois. “My lawyer and psychiatrist formed a company, which is illegal, and they defrauded me of my [home furnishings] license, and they stole money from me,” she states. While it would take days to recount what became the subject of extended and bitter litigation, the core of the case seems to hinge on Vanderbilt’s claim that the two formed a company, Design Management Partners (DMP), which bought her company, Gloria Concepts, for $1.6 million. She claimed she learned only after the sale that Andrews and Zois were DMP; Andrews claimed she knew all along."

R138

It is also reason why so much money, especially young famous persons decamped for those anonymous buildings downtown in Chelsea, Tribeca, SoHo, East Village, etc... all largely without doormen. Some places just have a door person for one daytime shift to manage packages, deliveries, workers, etc.... But by evening and overnight building is not attended.

So if someone wants to order in from Rentboy at 1AM, there's no doorman downstairs making notes.

OTOH doormen are the eyes and ears of not just building, but street as well. Many young women feel much safer walking down Fifth, Park, Madison avenues or CPW late at night because of all those doormen.

But that's just the problem, building staff especially lobby people do know everything, and many of them are like a bunch of females, always yapping.

Truth to tell ears and eyes have always been an issue with any sort of servants.

Pas devant les domestiques only gets you so far, and doesn't stop them from seeing things.

Many households were not totally unhappy to see trend move towards servants who lived out and only came in daily. At least for some part of the day one was alone at home with a bit of privacy.

Didn't know the office on ground floor that late Gloria Vanderbilt used as a studio was former office of her late husband. That might explain why Andersen Cooper isn't in any rush to put it on the market.

famous people definitely live in buildings with doormen, they are the added security who keep the crazies away. Unless they live in a townhouse or something...but they have security cameras or dogs etc...

I definitely don't like doormen, they gossip so damn much!

Here is a three bedroom/2.5 baths that went into contract for wee under $2 million.

Nothing special and very much a work-a-day family apartment IMHO.

As with many similar pre-war apartments third "bedroom" actually once was a den (sometimes library), hence no ensuite bathroom. Whoever is assigned that room must trek over to use facilities in second bedroom. Master bedroom has it's own bath which is something anyway.

R143

Again some do, others don't.

Today's modern security systems take care of keeping most of "crazies" away. Plus fact again many of these buildings are "anonymous" in that unless you know who lives in them, you don't give things a second thought.

Friend lives in a Tribeca building that has what I call "French" security. There is a door from street that opens into vestibule where second door opens into lobby. One door will not unlock if other is open, and both doors must be buzzed from upstairs. Cameras are everywhere covering lobby, vestibule and entire area of building outside. Oh and elevators do not work unless resident "sends" it down to collect someone at lobby.

The kitchen is the only room that wasn't terrifying. I could just picture the horror of people visiting for the first time.

I could never live in a place that Andy Cohen might have visited.

[quote]Yes, Gloria Vanderbilt *should* have had decent income from her line of jeans and other things, but the lady was fucked over by her then attorney and psychiatrist.

You do realize those jeans heyday were in the late 70's doncha? It's not like she was raking in millions in the last 40 years.

Kelly Ripa finally got a pair only because she knew Anderson.

Kelly Ripa should just change her name to Cunty Ripa and be done with it.

R144 that's the same apt as OP's in the same building, but on a higher floor. Why are you acting as if you pricked a random apartment in NYC?

Indoor prostitution has grown exponentially with rise of in technology, in particular our friend Mr. Internet.

Not many men can afford to stash a mistress (or whatever male/trans) whore away in a private apartment. However thanks to sites like Rentmen.com, Rentboys.com, Exotics.com and scores like them all over world it is easy to avoid nosy lobby attendants in both hotels and private apartment buildings. Just book an incall.

Have several friends who live in HK and Chelsea that have one or more male escorts as neighbors. Another on UES had a trannies, still one more just random female whores.

Gloria Wandrous wasn't the first nor last whore to wander around a tricks apartment and help themselves. Hence many men would rather avoid that risk by going to the whore rather than ordering in.

R151

Because IMHO it shows unit better than the cluttered hot mess that was former Gloria Vanderbilt's unit.

Fine, R153, but why didn't you acknowledge that?

Shame on you R144! Shame!

I love that the unit in r144's post has a powder room in the kitchen but you must enter through the window. Maybe it is for Spiderman to use?

[quote]That's what they said about her and Karen Woolworth the other beautiful hairnets.

Hairnet. Heiress. The two words are so similar.

Gloria should have stayed at 10 Gracie Square after Carter's death. It was certainly more spacious and more light filled than the hole in the wall on Beekman. I wonder if she ever tried to get into One Beekman Place across the street only to have the CO-OP board turn her down as at River House a few blocks north.

The Imperial House apartment is typical of the time it was built. Rooms are not large and with the low ceilings, the space seems more pokey.

Not sure why you mention the Imperial House, R162. I don't think Gloria ever lived there.

R163: it was mentioned by way of an apples/oranges comparison, and other posters commented, in this same thread.

Is Anderson Cooper going to panic again about having enough money and start modeling again or start an OnlyFans?

I love that Anderson took care of his mother decades after she told him that the Vanderbilt millions were long gone.

No powder room -did I miss something? All bathrooms seem to be in bedrooms.

[quote] No powder room -did I miss something? All bathrooms seem to be in bedrooms.

Gloria had no use for them having worn Depends for decades.

[quote]R163: it was mentioned by way of an apples/oranges comparison, and other posters commented, in this same thread.

Oh. I couldn't be bothered to read the thread from the beginning.

What does it say about a person when their kitchen is the only uncluttered room of entire apartment?

Imagine being drunk and trying to navigate one's way through that hot mess clutter.

What a great starter unit!

R170 That they’re anorexic, Karen Carpenter didn’t even have one in her house.

William Henry Vanderbilt the Commodore's son, was the richest Vanderbilt with half a trillion dollar fortune in todays dollars. There were a lot of kids - he had 9, and they all had their kids too. His children and grandchildren went on building sprees. They were mostly shitty businessman, dying with less money they were born. They also made costly marriages for the daughters. Consuelo was married to the 9th Duke of Marlborough at a cost of 2.5 million in 1995, which helped stabilize Blenheim Palace.

[quote] What does it say about a person when their kitchen is the only uncluttered room of entire apartment?

She ordered in or went out to eat. I really don't eat Gloria Vanderbilt making a meat loaf or pork chops. Maybe some fried chicken though.

Did she ever have Bobby Short over for a drinky-poo?

It’s hideous, but pretty dirt cheap for they much square footage.

After less than six weeks on the market, the final home of legendary artist, designer, and heiress Gloria Vanderbilt is in contract, the New York Post reports. Located on the Upper East Side’s tree-lined Beekman Place, the three bedroom, two and a half bathroom apartment is located within a gorgeous pre-war building that was constructed in 1930. The space hasn’t been renovated since 1997, when the multi-hyphenate first moved in, so its new owners will have to put in some much needed TLC, along with $4,311 in maintenance fees each month. It was last asking for $1.12 million.

Words like unique are always dead give aways. This looks like it was decorated by a tranny drag queen on acid.

I think the place is a shoebox and the decor is gaudy. Such ugly rich old lady garbage. I have anxiety just looking at all of the clutter.

Gloria Vanderbilt wasn’t on the social register, interestingly.

She couldn't even get into River House, R183!

R182 didn't see R79's post?

Sold for around $2.5 million, about twice the asking price.

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